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    Quote Originally Posted by gnuyork View Post
    That has to do with the camera type and shutter, I believe. Similar to today's digital cameras with rolling shutter issues.
    that pics pretty famous took in 1912 this was well documented


    Jacques Henri Lartigue and his camera

    Jacques Henri Lartigue was an extraordinary photographer. He was a recreatonal photographer and did not have to earn his money with photography, being born in a wealthy family. At a tender age he produced good photographs, which he continued to do until he died. His photographs were often beautiful and spontaneous. Many pictures were taken handheld, although the cameras were large and heavy.

    One photograph of Lartigue is very well known. It depicts a racing car and people along side the road.


    The picture was taken with an ICA camera in 1912 on a 4x5 inch glass plate with an f4.5 lens, fast for those days.


    This photograph is so appealing because of its distortions. The man at the side of the road is leaning to the left, while the hind wheel of the car is deformed to an oblique ellipse. The car is only half visible and together with the deformations it gives artistic power to the image: the speed of the car seems bigger because of the distorted wheel, as though it was a cartoon. The car is speeding out of the image. In the mean time, the left bystander falls sideways in a silent underwater world with which the race driver has no contact. Even the spokes of the wheel are bent in the driving direction, if you look carefully.

    What produced these beautiful and expressive deformations? Was the photographer such a genius that he did it on purpose with the camera, or was it a coincidence? Can we do this in PhotoShop or in a wet darkroom?

    The answer is rather simple: the effect came about because Jacques Henri used a large camera which he panned to follow the car (but not quite fast enough) and he used a focal plane shutter of which the slit moved from top to bottom. In this way we see different moments in time projected on different parts of the film. In the image the slit of the focal plane shutter moved upward because of the bottom-up projection of the lens.
    Both the leaning of the bystander and the deformation of the wheel and spokes can be explained in this way, demonstrated by this animation (which I wrote in MatLab). The animation should speak for itself.


    While making the animation, it appeared that I needed about 65% of the panning speed of the camera necessary to follow the car. That turns out to produce the correct combination of the distorted wheels and leaning angle of the man.

    With a modern camera with faster focal plane shutter you either get a blur of the bystanders, or everything is undeformed, as shown here


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    Well that's pretty cool
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    Funny in the sun both appear same color ...Raptor is Rapid Red Mrs Pacifico's Mustang is Race Red

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    The cars and bikes thread!

    Quote Originally Posted by pacifico66 View Post
    Funny in the sun both appear same color ...Raptor is Rapid Red Mrs Pacifico's Mustang is Race Red

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    To me the Truck looks darker, and the Mustang brighter. If these were more metallic or pearl then I could see them as much closer based on light. I’m pretty good at seeing color shifts and why I can’t take the color saturation from true on most Android phones.

    On Fords I find Toreador Red to have a much bigger variance by year and vehicle. Sometimes it is a strawberry red and on other vehicles it has color shifts all the way to dark maroon. Honda has a very similar red.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Samanator View Post
    To me the Truck looks darker, and the Mustang brighter. If these were more metallic or pearl then I could see them as much closer based on light. I’m pretty good at seeing color shifts and why I can’t take the color saturation from true on most Android phones.

    On Fords I find Toreador Red to have a much bigger variance by year and vehicle. Sometimes it is a strawberry red and on other vehicles it has color shifts all the way to dark maroon. Honda has a very similar red.


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    The raptor has a lot of metallic in it the mustang pretty flat so I think you are right in the shade the raptor will appear much darker regardless both attract attention and not the good kind

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    Quote Originally Posted by pacifico66 View Post
    The raptor has a lot of metallic in it the mustang pretty flat so I think you are right in the shade the raptor will appear much darker regardless both attract attention and not the good kind

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    Both looking good. Do you winterize the Mustang or just drive it on nice days once it gets cold/salt on the roads?

    I'm winterizing two of my bikes, a tire swap in a few weeks and this will be what I ride all winter. Just wired in my heated gear, ready for the cold.


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    Quote Originally Posted by happyscrappyheropup View Post
    Both looking good. Do you winterize the Mustang or just drive it on nice days once it gets cold/salt on the roads?

    I'm winterizing two of my bikes, a tire swap in a few weeks and this will be what I ride all winter. Just wired in my heated gear, ready for the cold.

    Mustang goes on a tender these sport cup 2 tires are pretty useless below 40 they literally turn to stone and provide little traction on nice days it will get creeped around the neighborhood only to try and avoid flat spotting which was pretty pronounced last spring

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    Not that I’m in the market for something like this, but I’ll be interested to see how this turns out:

    https://carsandbids.com/auctions/3ve...utm_campaign=n
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    Quote Originally Posted by Raza View Post
    Not that I’m in the market for something like this, but I’ll be interested to see how this turns out:

    https://carsandbids.com/auctions/3ve...utm_campaign=n
    Probably about the same price as they are on auto tempest I'd imagine? No one will pay a premium for stradman's ex car surely
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    Quote Originally Posted by geoffbot View Post
    Probably about the same price as they are on auto tempest I'd imagine? No one will pay a premium for stradman's ex car surely
    I don’t know what Auto Tempest nor Stradman are, so I will assume you are correct.
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