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    People used to want to race me in the Z4 all the time.

    I mostly indulged them
    Once, when I still had my Lotus, a guy pulled up to my right at a light in a logging truck (fully loaded). He leaned out, looked (way!) down, and said "I bet I can take you!" We both laughed, and then he said, "do me a favor, peel out for me." So I did.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raza View Post
    No, it is not.
    That's sad.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mlcor View Post
    Once, when I still had my Lotus, a guy pulled up to my right at a light in a logging truck (fully loaded). He leaned out, looked (way!) down, and said "I bet I can take you!" We both laughed, and then he said, "do me a favor, peel out for me." So I did.

    True story!
    It makes my day when people are up for a race. Often just 50-70erm ish pulls on the motorway - usually other m4s actually which are usually autos so I tend to lose, but we both drive away grinning like meercats.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Raza View Post
    No, it is not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Raza View Post
    People used to want to race me in the Z4 all the time.

    I mostly indulged them
    Last week it was some sort of modified Denali (at least the exhaust because it was very loud). I indulged, knowing full well I would lose, but I was curious how much I could keep up. I didn't fare too terribly, but it still was no contest after 3rd gear. The truck was so loud I couldn't hear my car so I bounced off the rev limiter in 2nd. Probably could have done better. I bet that guy was super proud of himself, and I felt like a lame ass for attempting.

    Different story in the Lotus. Even against other sports cars. But I still try not to engage too often. I'm always afraid there will be a cop nearby.
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    That’s a lot of miles though. I’m not that sensitive to high miles because I drive so little, but at level, you’re looking at a lot of things that are close to being worn out and the big bills that come with that.

    Also, why is it listed as “South Africa”? I took a look at the listing and maybe I missed it, but I don’t know what that refers to.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gnuyork View Post
    Last week it was some sort of modified Denali (at least the exhaust because it was very loud). I indulged, knowing full well I would lose, but I was curious how much I could keep up. I didn't fare too terribly, but it still was no contest after 3rd gear. The truck was so loud I couldn't hear my car so I bounced off the rev limiter in 2nd. Probably could have done better. I bet that guy was super proud of himself, and I felt like a lame ass for attempting.

    Different story in the Lotus. Even against other sports cars. But I still try not to engage too often. I'm always afraid there will be a cop nearby.
    Yeah, these days I don’t much go for that sort of thing. But I feel you. Reminds me of one time I went up against an LS1 GTO in my Jetta Wolfsburg. It was surprisingly close from a rolling start; that GTO had 350HP and was carting about 3700 pounds. My Jetta had 200HP, weighed about 3100 pounds, and got a lot of low end torque. I was fairly close through second, but when that LS1 got going, he was gone.

    I remember one time in the rain trying to beat out a Jeep Grand Cherokee in my Passat. The light went green, we both slammed on the gas, and…my front end popped up, my steering wheel went light, and he just rocketed away by comparison. That was the first time I can remember thinking “Hmm, there might be something to this AWD thing”.
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    I feel I need to weigh in on the pickup truck comments I think I cast off my yahooness years ago I get challenged often driving a Raptor and never take the bait.I haven't had a ticket in Twenty years never speed or endanger anyone, yes it can be loud with the active exhaust in sport or baja mode and it sometimes gets abused (mostly tunnels or underpasses) but it has a setting for silence which I use in my neighborhood and driveway.
    I think street racing is largely gone at least in my part of the world years ago it was every day and I did my fair share when it was safe to do so I really think since smartphones the whole world has slowed down (while driving) I could be wrong but now that there is so many other things to occupy our attention that can be done while driving it's becoming a lost pastime and a part of me misses that

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    The cars and bikes thread!

    Quote Originally Posted by Raza View Post
    I don’t consider a shut down road a public road any more than I’d consider a track a public road. A public road is one where anyone can drive a car on it at any time. Shutting down a public road creates controlled conditions and limits who can be there to people participating in an event. That’s not what I’m talking about. It’s the same argument that you can take the car to a track and drive the hell out of it (which is where a car like the ZR-1 belongs).



    I know I work up to it before I push any car. You have to spend a lot of seat time to learn the limits, how it reacts to your inputs, how the weight shifts under braking and turning, etc.

    I’m not confident the drivers of any car, of any power level, know or do this. Considering how many times I’ve seen videos of “mundane” performance cars like base Vettes and Mustang GTs revving at the lights and then skewering off immediately into a tree or street lamp, I really have no confidence that the average driver of a car like this is spending hours learning the car.




    Well, yes, you do have a point there. It’s not just age, I never meant it to be simply about age. But again, using professional drivers as a yardstick is not appropriate measure. These are people who have been training and racing likely their whole lives. F1 drivers cart from the time they can walk without that toddler wobble. Age is far less a factor for someone like that, who has been honing the skills required to drive fast at a competitive level their whole lives. It’s the same as me saying a 35 year old can’t pick up and start playing professional soccer and then you saying that Messi’s 37 and he’s still one of the best in the world. Yes, but both those things are true. There’s a fundamental difference between someone who has been racing their whole lives and someone who has been a hedge fund manager or investment banker and splashes out on an expensive car. I’ve been driving hard since I got my license, I’ve done track work, skills workshops, etc., but if you put me, a lifelong car enthusiast and pretty damn good driver if I do say so myself, head to head with a retired F1 driver 20 years older than I am, I would be embarrassed handily. These are people with natural skills and talents that have been honed over a lifetime of competitive racing. It’s not the same. None of us is John Force, nor Damon Hill, nor Randy Pobst. There used to be a show called “Pros vs. Joes” where a bunch of football dads pit themselves against retired professional athletes. I don’t have the statistics, but in the few times I saw that show, the Joes got trounced regularly. It’s a different situation when you’ve been training your whole life to do a thing. And there are always going to be anecdotal outliers, that one tree doesn’t change the forest.

    And we both know, that most people who are going to buy a car like this are going to drive it slowly to the country club or to brunch or to brunch at the country club and that’s fine. People have money, they want to show it off, if we’re being honest, I’m in no position to criticize that. Flex away, septuagenarians, enjoy your thousand horsepower performance car. But there’s a reason cars like this have trunks designed around fitting a bag of golf clubs in them. Let’s not kid ourselves. There’s nothing inherently wrong about a 1000+ horsepower car. It’s just boring. And yeah, if someone who doesn’t know what they’re doing tries to use all that power on public roads, it’s dangerous. And I get that half the fun is the danger, so again, I’m not in a position to criticize that either. But if we’re talking real talk, that 1000 could easily be 500 or even 400 and 99% of buyers would never know the difference.
    I think most people who will buy one of the ZR1 or the equally powerful Zora (which is the top dog Vette) will be in storage for the next owner. It may be driven a few hundred miles, the owners scares themselves and then stores for the price to go up multiples.


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    The cars and bikes thread!

    Quote Originally Posted by Raza View Post
    I’ve heard “bird’s eye” used synonymously with “top-down” many times. I’m not sure if it’s chiefly a British thing, which is why there’s a disconnect, but yeah it makes total sense. I remember the first time hearing it a lot was when Infiniti came out with a “bird’s eye” top-down GPS navigation system which was widely praised by the car press at the time. Birds fly, they look down to see what they just pooped on and laugh, it’s normal.
    Most spec sheets in the US call it a 360 degree or surround view camera. At least on everything I’be been test driving lately which are mostly trucks and off-road capable SUV. Not one calls it birds eye or top down view. It maybe a BMW or German thing.


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