The cars and bikes thread!

[happyscrappyheropup]

Glad to see you back @crownpuller. Pics of addition please.

[is that my watch]

Been 'out of circulation' for a while due to "a lot going on on the family front" in addition to my current project of building myself a workshop on the side of my garage.



Request duly noted.





Not really a blue oval fan, but, yeah; that's a cracker.

hey glad too see ya around again

yeah had family issues still in the middle of them been 24/7 365 for the last few month

[Samanator]

Lots of people do care - I can tell you most manufacturer's series numbers for cars, on the Porsche and BMW I also know the dot version or if it's pre or post LCI.

Well, that is great for them, but to me, it's like identifying everything by the UPC code. It kind of takes the special things about a car out of the picture. If an eight-digit number is the best way to identify a car, is it really that special? If I'm restoring a car, the serial number is critical to ensure originality, but I don't need to memorize it. Some changes, like Porsche 911s moving from air to liquid-cooled or Corvettes from front to mid-engine are significant. Most 911 new models are things like reconfigured headlights, a two mm longer rear side window, a brake light bar that extends across the car instead of separate right and left lights, and a reflash of the EFI to gain a few more hp. For the most part they don't change the car enough that most people can see the difference. I'm not even clear half the time about what brand we're talking about, given the number of designations that begin to sound the same. From what I can tell, this is a practice that came about in the past ten years in publications. I don't see it as an improvement. As someone who has worked in tech for the past 35 years, code names and numbers actually lead to a good deal of internal confusion. On the other extreme take the EV Hummer, which took the code name too seriously and yielded a ridiculous interior for over $100K vehicle.

[Samanator]

I'd have a golf r, but it's the same value as my car and I'd prefer mine by every metric.

. When you say value I know your car was preowned. Are you comparing it preowned to new for the hatch? The BWM new would be $30K-45K more than the golf new, and yours is not AWD. Having a new car warranty is important to people. I'm not in love with the Golf, but the new BMW is cost-prohibitive for what it is (a small with little utility), or if preowned, no warranty is on the BMW. That said, the inline six is by all measures a better engine to the I4 with gobs of power. Sacrificing the warranty on the VW and 5K-6K in parts and tuning will yield something equal to or more powerful than the BMW that will have AWD. I've ridden and driven in this beast and it is extremely good. I find it an interesting dilemma.

[happyscrappyheropup]

Well, that is great for them, but to me, it's like identifying everything by the UPC code. It kind of takes the special things about a car out of the picture. If an eight-digit number is the best way to identify a car, is it really that special? If I'm restoring a car, the serial number is critical to ensure originality. Some changes, like Porsche 911s moving from air to liquid-cooled or Corvettes from front to mid-engine,ine are significant. Most 911 new models are things like reconfigured headlights, a two mm longer rear side window, a brake light bar that extends across the car instead of separate right and left lights, a a reflash of the EFI to gain a few more hp. For the most part they dona' change the car enough that most people can see the difference. I'm not even clear half the time what brand we're talking about given the number designations begin to sound the same. From what I can tell, this is a practice that came about in the past ten years.

This did not happen in the last ten years, it's been going for many decades.

[geoffbot]

. When you say value I know your car ws preowned. Are you comparing it preowned to new for the hatch? The BWM new would be $30K-45K more than the golf new, and yours is not AWD. Having a new car warranty is important to some people for vehicles that stretch limits. I'm not in love with the Golf, but I don't see the BMW being that much better for the cost difference.

Mine is probably worth 20k now which is what I'd have to spend in a golf r is what I mean.

[geoffbot]

Actual manual f430 for sub £100k wow

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202404299165628

Anyone wanna lend me £100k?

[geoffbot]

I love that this is a thing

[Samanator]

This did not happen in the last ten years, it's been going for many decades.

. Can't say I've seen that. I looked back at some 2009 Car and Driver and Motor Trend magazines articles I have on the Porsche 911 Carrera 4S Cabriolet, and there is a brief reference to a 997-911, but it almost appears to be a typo which is why I missed it. Porsche 911 Carrera 4S Cabriolet appears about 40 times in the MT article, but 997-911 appears once. Yes, a bit of a hoarder; I have magazines with articles for every car I have owned and the sales brochure for all bought new and quite a few that were not. I'll also note that at least at Champion Porsche if you tell them your car is a 997 -911 they will ask you for the full model name Porsche 911 Carrera 4S Cabriolet to look up parts.. That was the practice through 2014. I was feeing better know that the as tested price of the Porsche 911 Carrera 4S Cabriolet in the article was less than $90K. Wish they were there now.

[Samanator]

Mine is probably worth 20k now which is what I'd have to spend in a golf r is what I mean.

That seems really low for your car. Does it have a ton of kilos on it?