update watch seems to be doing ok it had a few hours on the torch for a charge then been on the wrist since, had a busy slightly bad day so check the time but did not really think about what watch was on as went out in a bit of a mad unplanned rush so it was on and stayed on

so looks like it might be staying around as even thou quite bulk not uncomfortable and it does not get in the way either so could end up as one of my beaters think apart from the rado and steiny all my watches are beaters thou