The cars and bikes thread!

[Raza]

I know it's not for everybody, but I LOVE my MX5.

The thing is, though—the MX-5 is for everybody. That’s why it revitalized a dead sports car segment in the 90s and is still such a living legend today. Every MX-5 I’ve driven has made most other cars feel like more for the sake of more. Was the MR-2 Spyder a more visceral, sharper, and faster car than both the NB and NC? Yeah, sure. But it was incredibly compromised to get it—basically no trunk space, mid-engine handling is scary for the uninitiated (you and I have no problem with it, surely, but there are still people who take car advice from Ralph Nader), and it was, at best, charmingly ugly. It died and the MX-5 survived because it’s got so much cross-demographic appeal. I could write poetry about the MX-5, really.

[Samanator]

The thing I found with the Z4 is getting in is marginally difficult. Getting out is basically an ungraceful falling sideways to the curb. This is due to the ridiculously high side rail and low seat. Getting in and out both require moving the steering all the way up to get around it and clear the side rail. Since it really did not handle or drive all that great I did not see it as an option to a TT or others. In this price range, the Miata is light years better.


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[Raza]

The thing I found with the Z4 is getting in is marginally difficult. Getting out is basically an ungraceful falling sideways to the curb. This is due to the ridiculously high side rail and low seat. Getting in and out both require moving the steering all the way up to get around it and clear the side rail. Since it really did not handle or drive all that great I did not see it as an option to a TT or others. In this price range, the Miata is light years better.


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Which generation Z4?

[mlcor]

The thing I found with the Z4 is getting in is marginally difficult. Getting out is basically an ungraceful falling sideways to the curb. This is due to the ridiculously high side rail and low seat. Getting in and out both require moving the steering all the way up to get around it and clear the side rail. Since it really did not handle or drive all that great I did not see it as an option to a TT or others. In this price range, the Miata is light years better.


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If you think a Z4 is challenging, try a Lotus Elise. With the top on.


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[Raza]

If you think a Z4 is challenging, try a Lotus Elise. With the top on.


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It takes practice, yes. My Z4 is easy enough to get in and out of, and it drives great. MX-5 is easier to get in and out of (though I haven't driven the ND), but it's more of a blank canvas--it's fine out of the box, but it's also the kind of car you do can do a lot with if so inclined.

[gnuyork]

It takes practice, yes. My Z4 is easy enough to get in and out of, and it drives great. MX-5 is easier to get in and out of (though I haven't driven the ND), but it's more of a blank canvas--it's fine out of the box, but it's also the kind of car you do can do a lot with if so inclined.

You should try an ND. I'd be curious as to your thoughts. I've only ever driven an NB, and have been a passenger in the NA. To me the ND is quite a step up from the NB performance wise. I've never been in or drive the NC.

[gnuyork]

If you think a Z4 is challenging, try a Lotus Elise. With the top on.


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I hear that!

[Raza]

You should try an ND. I'd be curious as to your thoughts. I've only ever driven an NB, and have been a passenger in the NA. To me the ND is quite a step up from the NB performance wise. I've never been in or drive the NC.

Yeah, I’ll give it a try one of these days. I’ve driven every generation of MX-5, but never a stock NA. The NC was the best of the bunch; felt like a real car, but still light and lithe despite being doing enough for two grown adult men to sit in it without being on top of each other. I’m looking forward to trying the ND.

[gnuyork]

Yeah, I’ll give it a try one of these days. I’ve driven every generation of MX-5, but never a stock NA. The NC was the best of the bunch; felt like a real car, but still light and lithe despite being doing enough for two grown adult men to sit in it without being on top of each other. I’m looking forward to trying the ND.

From what I have read, the ND is nearly as light as the NA, which is quite a big deal. It definitely feels nimble and quick. Really fun, though not huge power, enough to have a good time with though. This summer I was up on some curvy mountain roads and it held it's own agains a C7 corvette in the turns... just keep those revs high...

[Samanator]

Which generation Z4?

Probably post 2012. So newer than yours, and probably closer to what Geoff is looking at. Would suggest a Boxster but the price and maintenance are too prohibitive to qualify.