Food

[geoffbot]

I know bro. I still don't know what biscuits are.

[OTGabe]

Not liking them is fine but you do realize that the average biscuit has half again as many calories, ten or so times the fat, twice the sodium, more carbs and less dietary fibre than a bagel. A biscuit is a wonderful thing, but do not fool yourself about how good or bad they are for you.

Why the heck do you think I'm fooling myself about anything? I just know what I like and it shouldn't upset anyone! Biscuits are great because of the unhealthy butter or lard, as opposed to the denseness of a bagel that to me is nothing but, well bready and heavy. I would hope that nobody is eating either as a health food, as there is far more nutritious breakfast fare out there.

And before you say I've never had a good one, I've been to NYC many times and had people take me to bagel shops to experience the 'real thing'. It was still a big wad of bread that was hard to get through. Different strokes for different folks.

[geoffbot]

PITTA BREAD IS BETTER THAN YOUR CRAPPY AMERICAN BISCUITS.

[OTGabe]

PITTA BREAD IS BETTER THAN YOUR CRAPPY AMERICAN BISCUITS.

It is odd how bread products can be divisive. Doughnuts are another category where people tend to prefer a certain type or brand and do not want to be swayed otherwise. But bagels may top the list. I have neighbors from New York and since I mentioned that I don't particularly care for them, they've started bringing me back different ones from when they visit home to convert me. Some are the size of my head and covered in all sorts of random toppings and I really don't know what to do with them, but I don't want to offend them.

Reminds me of brussels sprouts. I don't like them but when that has come up in conversation, someone always has to say that I've never had them prepared correctly. But I've had roasted, grilled, fried with bacon, garlic/butter infused, etc. - they still smell and taste like brussels sprouts to me. I just stay quiet now when the subject comes up because the brussels sprouts lobby is a powerful one.

[Henry Krinkle]

Why the heck do you think I'm fooling myself about anything? I just know what I like and it shouldn't upset anyone! Biscuits are great because of the unhealthy butter or lard, as opposed to the denseness of a bagel that to me is nothing but, well bready and heavy. I would hope that nobody is eating either as a health food, as there is far more nutritious breakfast fare out there.

And before you say I've never had a good one, I've been to NYC many times and had people take me to bagel shops to experience the 'real thing'. It was still a big wad of bread that was hard to get through. Different strokes for different folks.

Sorry if I offended you. That was not my intent. You claimed a bagel was a carb bomb, which they are, and also declared your preference for fluffy biscuits. In comparison to biscuits bagels are not a carb bomb at all. They are a healthier option. I am sure you understand my confusion over the conflicting message I inferred from your posts.
You describe bagels as heavy, which they are, not doughy, so I would assume you've had proper ones.

[OTGabe]

Sorry if I offended you. That was not my intent. You claimed a bagel was a carb bomb, which they are, and also declared your preference for fluffy biscuits. In comparison to biscuits bagels are not a carb bomb at all. They are a healthier option. I am sure you understand my confusion over the conflicting message I inferred from your posts.
You describe bagels as heavy, which they are, not doughy, so I would assume you've had proper ones.

Not offended at all. I was specifically referring to Geoff's assessment of bagels but was not doing any sort of nutritional analysis. To me a biscuit is a different animal because it's light and fluffy, so it doesn't seem as if you're eating as much bread. No clue about actual carb content, but I can't imagine it's too drastically different between comparably sized biscuits and bagels.

[tribe125]

Anyway, bagels come from Krakow, not New York.

[OTGabe]

Anyway, bagels come from Krakow, not New York.

Truth, though an 'authentic' bagel to many would likely be quite different than that photo. Just based on a few minutes of reading, it seems there is little agreement about what should go into them, how they should be cooked, and exactly what the resulting texture should be. Not just based on country, but city. Likely even by community if you drill down deep enough into bagel culture.

[Henry Krinkle]

Not offended at all. I was specifically referring to Geoff's assessment of bagels but was not doing any sort of nutritional analysis. To me a biscuit is a different animal because it's light and fluffy, so it doesn't seem as if you're eating as much bread. No clue about actual carb content, but I can't imagine it's too drastically different between comparably sized biscuits and bagels.

They are most definitely a different animal. I don't think one would want pastrami style meat on a biscuit anymore than one would want shrimp on a bagel. They both have a wonderful place in my food world.


The nutritional difference between the two is pretty alarming actually. I don't let it bother me though.


http://skipthepie.org/baked-products...rmilk-dry-mix/

[tribe125]

Yes, the 'obwarzanek' is regulated in Krakow and some Krakovians would regard the 'international' bagel as a debased descendant. One of the regulations is that they must be sold within three hours of baking.

They're eaten on the move. You'll find the mobile stands by tram stops and on street corners. I don't think a Krakovian would take them home or fill them with anything. A bit peckish and no time for proper food? Grab a bagel.