The cars and bikes thread!

[Raza]

As a Zed driver shouldn't you be considering this? Nothing beats matching marques in the carport



Ahh ha ha....Oh god. But anyway on a serious note, nice choice and you are clearly a man of taste. Naked bike is best bike. If you prefer your bread unbuttered and without crusts, the CB1100RS should get a look in too.

The Honda is nice--Yamaha has some nice bikes in the category as well. But for some reason, no bikes speak to me the way Triumphs do. The Bonneville (particularly the Street Twin I posted), the Thruxton, the Scrambler; all bikes I'd love to own.

[Raza]

That was my point...everyone is, in order to improve fuel economy. Which isn't always the case--my naturally aspirated V-8 in the Panamera (hardly a small car) gets around 22 mpg in mixed driving. The new turbocharged V-6 in the current 4S has around the same hp and gas mileage is not appreciably better.

Aren't the new Boxster/Cayman engines 4 cylinder turbos?

[tribe125]

Stabilisers. Very sensible.

[mlcor]

Yes I read this mpg is largely unaffected. Seems to be true in my 328 vs the old 6 cylinder lumps. But emissions are lower , no? That's what the car companies will be targeted on surely, not mpg. Plus people are still making na v12s and 8s so what gives? I haven't done any research FYI.

I don't believe there is an appreciable effect on emissions, either.


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[mlcor]

On another note there's a hydrogen charging station near my father in law - what's that about?! Hydrogen cells now?

They've been out for a bit here, Honda is the leader. You can't buy one from them, only lease. The cars have a better range than electric (the latest Honda has around a 280-300 mile range), but outside of California there's no infrastructure for them. Also hydrogen is quite expensive compared to gas or electric, not surprising at this early stage.

I'm not sure how the hydrogen is produced, but it would seem to me to have the same indirect pollution issues as electrics.


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[geoffbot]

Aren't the new Boxster/Cayman engines 4 cylinder turbos?

That was the news to me.

[geoffbot]

Stabilisers. Very sensible.

That deserves more than a like. Have some rep.

[geoffbot]

I don't believe there is an appreciable effect on emissions, either.


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What's the effing point then

[mlcor]

What's the effing point then

Cynical person that I am, when I see a move like this that doesn't seem to help efficiency, power or emissions, the nasty suspicious part of my brain screams "cost reduction measure."


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[happyscrappyheropup]

Cynical person that I am, when I see a move like this that doesn't seem to help efficiency, power or emissions, the nasty suspicious part of my brain screams "cost reduction measure."


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Adding parts like turbos and superchargers doesn't seem like it would be a cost reduction measure.

Companies are moving away from NA engines because of power, fuel economy and emissions. Even with the same peak power, a forced induction engine will usually make more power under the curve. The car will be quicker and offer superior driveability at lower revs than an NA engine. You can also use smaller displacement engines with fewer cylinders, which results in additional efficiency.